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Breast Cancer Awareness Headband Causes Controversy

A Bel Air Middle School student says he was told he couldn't wear a headband to school.

 

A young Bel Air boy is at a loss after his efforts to show support for breast cancer awareness were deemed inappropriate by his school.

Samuel Queen posted a message on the Bel Air Patch Facebook page explaining his desire to wear a pink headband to Bel Air Middle School in honor of breast cancer awareness month.

The letter states the student was told the headband violated school policy because it didn't hold his hair down.

Teri Kranefeld, manager of communication for Harford County Public Schools, said she was not aware of the incident, but said any items that distract from smooth school operations can be prohibited at the discretion of the school administration.

The school system's policy on head wear states, "Head wear, including, but not limited to, hats, visors, doo rags, sweatbands, and bandannas, is not to be worn inside school buildings during the school day."

The following is the letter posted by Samuel Queen:

I am a middle school student attending Bel Air Middle School in Harford County, MD. Recently it has become the month of October. It is mostly known for its breast cancer awareness. I have a history with family when it comes to cancer in general. I have had 3 family members die of cancer, the first being diagnosed in 3rd grade.

I shaved my head bald in support of my Uncle who was diagnosed. Cancer is not a topic I take lightly. I purchased a pink, white, and black breast cancer head band to wear in school in support of Breast Cancer Awareness month. I also shaved my head once again to show support. On the first day wearing it i was told to take it off. Reasons being because I was a "guy" and had "no hair to hold down."

This made me upset. I told my parents about it and they told me to "drop the topic." But that is not what I wanted to do. I wanted to show support. The next day, I walked into school and asked my assistant principle if head bands were allowed in school. He told me no, and that it was a county wide rule that head bands were not aloud.

But girls wear head bands all the time at school. So why cant I? Just because I am a guy and have no hair? He then told me "Girls wear them to hold their hair down." he even said "A guy with long hair still could not wear a head band."

So this, from his words, has only been directed to guys. "I had a couple of guys at a previous school wear head bands that represented a gang." But girls can be in gangs too?

I had done some research and found no such rule limiting head bands from our school. One rule did state though that "Head wear, including, but not limited to, hats, visors, doo rags, sweatbands, and bandannas, is not to be worn inside school buildings during the school day." None of which had applied to what I was wearing. Now of course school rules can make you take something off if it is a distraction to class but that has not been brought up in discussion yet. What should I do?

Related Topics: Bel Air Middle School, Breast Cancer awareness, and October 2012 Week in Review

Christina Keithley

12:52 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

Let him show support for breast cancer. It isn't harming anything. We have much bigger issues in schools to deal with. If a boy wants to wear a headband let him.

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Christopher Kidwell

4:55 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012

Agreed. The people who should be punished are the ones who make a big deal out of a headband. They are the ones who should be fired or removed from their positions.

Getting tired of the 'gang colors' excuse for this as well. Let me be blunt; there are so many combinations of gang colors in America today that you would have to go naked to not be in violation of the laws against 'wearing gang colors'.

Allison Y

1:06 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

don't really see what the problem is here. he wants to show breast cancer support -- so let him. making him take it off just because he's a "guy" and it's a "distraction"? sure let's just keep enforcing gender roles here. NOW the headband topic is a distraction because adults are bringing attention to it. it is my bet that if nobody said anything, the other kids wouldn't even care about what he was doing. don't understand why these middle schools are so strict about their dress code. it's not like any of these kids have any skin to even show anyways.

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Dale Thomas

7:19 am on Sunday, October 7, 2012

I like defined gender roles. Has worked for eons of time.

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Christopher Kidwell

5:03 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012

Dale Thomas, no, it hasn't 'worked for eons of time'. Fact is that gender roles 200 years ago+ were nowhere near as 'certain' as you seem to think they are.

Liz Rowell

1:10 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

I think there is a bigger issue here with the school and system in general. I under stand what they are trying to do but they're taking it too far. If this were my child I would be climbing the ladder of authority and till we found someone who would listen. If no one wants to listen then you go to the media. I don't know if this story has been on the news or not but I bet there are plenty of reporters that would love to share a story about how is school would not let a young man show his support of a topic that is near and dear to his heart. I fully support his efforts and hope he continues to push the subject shame on the school for being so ridiculous and narrow minded

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Christopher Kidwell

5:05 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012

Agreed. I would be seriously thinking of suing the school on First Amendment grounds over this and calling for the dismissal of the public officials who made such a big deal over this.

It seems that a lot of public school officials are tin dictators who think that they have the right to do whatever the bleep they want. They don't. They are still limited by the Constitution like anyone else and the Bill of Rights DOES cover children, period and done with.

James

1:12 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

Listen to your parents....drop it.

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LSSTSTAR

1:14 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

I commend Samuel Queen for his commitment towards this cause. We as adults and a nation preach that we need to get our youth involved in topics such as this to make sure that awareness is distributed in all age groups and when they do we have organizations that try to squash it. Harford County schools are completely out of touch with reality and always take a broad stroke approach at correctional measures instead of attacking the problem. The headwear rule is that type of approach. I know it's easy for us to say, "why can't he just pick out a shirt or something to wear in support". Yeah we could but what if it's pink and the administration don't want to see a boy wearing pink cause it might be a "distraction to smooth operations"? Where does the idiotic decisions stop with HCPS? I've had my fights with them over other issues that they are less than adequate at dealing with so I am not suprised at this. I don't question rules that are in place that actually curb activity that is not productive for the learning environment but I due question rules put into place so that administrations don't have to deal with serious issues and allows them to have to not respond to it. Answer this. What is so distracting or wrong with a child shaving his head and wearing a headband that is in support of the #1 killer in America. We should be supporting more youth to act in this way. Not tearing them down!! IMHO

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Ashley

1:15 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

It is in my opinion that making a big deal about a boy wearing a head band in support of breast cancer and forcing him to take it off is more of a distraction than letting him wear it would have been. Perhaps schools should focus more on educating the kids and stop worrying about silly dress code issues. It's not like the kid was wearing gang wear or anything inappropriate was hanging out.

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Jake Q

1:37 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

Listen to your parents and drop it? We should listen to everyone shouldn't we? Always conform and never question authority? If you are into that type of lifestyle, James, why don't you move to a communist country? This is a kid trying to do a nice thing and it being taken way to far. There is an element of harassment in this situation, by the school. The child is being discriminated because of his gender. There should be a lawsuit here. Children seem to let the world down more and more everyday, but when a child decides to stand out for a good cause he is frowned upon and forced to conform back to his proper place? This great country... that we seemingly used to know... was built by individuals who did not want to be like everyone else. There is a deeper message than what the surface shows here, James.

-Sam's brother Jake

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Casey Wilson

1:48 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

^ couldn't have said it better.

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volunteer mom

1:55 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

I do not think I will tell my kids to drop it!! What is the harm? Kids can have pink, blue and green hair on any given day! I commend this boy for supporting a good cause and for standing his ground on something that is important to him. This is so wrong in many ways and the school needs to pick their battles, and this is not one of them!

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Jessica Lamoureux

1:59 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

I love that this boy wrote in to the Patch on his own....you know what happened??? HE HAS EVERYONE HERE TALKING ABOUT BREAST CANCER. Which IS the point...well done young man.

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GsMom

3:33 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

I'm think it's awesome that he's standing up, and I love his support. I agree wear a shirt or something; it still makes the point. But I look at the other side. Kids pick on him because they are too narrow minded, and don't understand his reasoning. Then the distraction takes place. Maybe it was distracting to begin with, and that's why he was asked. Schools are concerned with the major increase in bullying, and ways to prevent and keep the classrooms safe. Who really knows why the school asked him to remove it.

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Elisa

3:51 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

Sam, If you were my son, I would be so proud ! Keep it up !!!!!

I think you should buy a whole bunch of them and give them to your friends at school... and have everyone wearing them... boys and girls.

And HCPS.. .shame on you !

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Karl Schuub

3:56 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

I have serious doubts a 12 year old boy would write a letter to Patch independently without being goaded by an adult.

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Denise Peischl

7:57 am on Friday, October 5, 2012

I'm sorry you have such little faith in our young, energetic, creative, compassionate and passionate folks. It was all him which give testament to a solid upbringing by some awesome parents. He can stand and think on his own....isn't that what we want for our young son's and daughters! I am proud of Sam - follow your heart and your passions in life.

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Eileen

1:54 pm on Saturday, October 6, 2012

Hey, that young man is my great nephew! And I mean that in more ways then one. His parents, would never do that to any of their children. All his parents ever did , was to teach him to be an independent thinker!! Kudos to mom and dad! I love you Sam.

Colleen

4:19 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

I agree with most of the post on here. This young man should stand up and support a cause. But I feel the school is looking at a bigger picture. Sure today we allow this boy to support his cause, now tomorrow another child comes in and wants to support his cause and maybe his cause is a sore subject to some. But its his cause. Now, how can you send him home? If you allow one child to support their cause then you must allow ALL children to support their cause. And that is where the underlining problem is. That is how you “distract from smooth school operations.” You cant allow the school to pick and choice what they feel would be appropriate causes for each child. So they make a blanket rule. Its sad that we live in such a PC world. Because Samuel Queen’s cause is a valid cause. But, I read a story today where a middle school girl went to school wearing a shirt that read “ I enjoy vagina” because she claimed she was bi-sexual and was showing support to her belief. Ummmm should this be allowed in school? I would think not. But again, if you allow one child to support their cause, how can you tell another child they cannot support theirs. Again, very obvious, this girl’s shirt was way out there, but its her cause. Is it a big difference from Breast Cancer? Sure in some folks eyes yes. But who are we to tell people where their passions should fall. Blanket Policy. Cover all bases.

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Allison Y

4:25 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

as soon as children learn how to talk...we start telling them to be quiet..... this young man and all others like him have my support!!!

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Karl Schuub

8:27 am on Friday, October 5, 2012

Maybe that was true 50 years ago but not today. Civility including respect for the feelings of others is virtually nonexistant anymore.

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Jennifer Morris

10:18 am on Sunday, October 7, 2012

Nah, they don't tell them to shut up and sit down anymore. They make them change t-shirts, take off religious headwear, or, in some states, their very name!

They also have kids taken away in handcuffs by police for things like drawing a gun. (and I mean pencil on paper) or any other number of foolish things.

Carol Ann

4:40 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

I congratulate your efforts in this important endeavor and your committment to these efforts. You are passionate about showing your support and I am certain your parents must be proud of your initiative. You have already succeeded in spreading the word and furthering the cause during Breast Cancer Awareness month.

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LH825

4:55 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

I love that you want to wear something and show support, however, I work in a school and I for one, could see how this could be a distraction to other students. I would recommend changing from a headband to a rubber bracelet with appropriate words instead. Then it really shouldn't t be an issue and all could be happy.

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Ashleeeeeey!

5:04 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

THIS IS BEL AIR MIDDLE GO BACK AND WALK.

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Ashleeeeeey!

5:11 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

Oh, and I want a pretty hand band too Saamm(:

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tswiftyy<3

4:43 pm on Wednesday, November 21, 2012

Ha ha:) lol i go to bams and i lovee saying that! lol:) I know of sam and his story and i think our administration should look at the deeper message! This is bigger then a headband! I have read over that rule in our planners so many times, i just forget about it! But it doesnt apply to the situation, and we have so many bigger rules about guns and weapons that should be what our admin cares about more. not just some awesome headband!!!! Great job dude, keep it up <3333333

Kenzie

5:11 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

In my opinion for this month i think anything to support breast cancer should be allowed.

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Eleanor

5:14 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

Let him wear the damn headband. It makes others aware. Would they make a Muslim not wear their headgear????????

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Kenzie

5:21 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

There is many diffrent was to support so why get in trouble for wearing the headband? all im gonna say is that its not fair that some kids can dye there diffrent colors and that sort of thing but he cant wear a headband. I dont think he should drop this, he is doing this for a good cause and i support him!

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LSSTSTAR

6:43 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

The headwear rule is a direct result of the administration not wanting to deal with "gang" issues or issues that are connected to it. So they make the broad stroke rule so that they don't have to address the issue. They don't have to explain the reason for the rule, just that they are "trying to avoid distractions". BS HCPS BS!!!

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Debbie Schmidt

8:20 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

YAY Sam! I worked in the Elementary school Sam attended when he shaved his head in support of his Uncle. Sam is a great kid and I think we do have bigger issues to worry about in the school system. As a supporter of breast cancer due to it affecting many friends and family members I think it's great that children are showing support and he could be wearing worse. Let's put our energy into something that is going on in our school system alot more important than children supporting cancer!
I'm proud of you Sam!

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Husky Mom

8:31 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

Way to go, Sam!! Thanks for supporting cancer!!
LIVESTRONG!!

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Becky k

9:08 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

I agree with sam it is not right just because he is a guy shouldn't mean that he can not wear a headband they are not distracting at all! I am not trying to be disrespectful of the rules but it is for a good cause and I know Sam would never wear a headband just for fun he does it for a cause he supports.

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Doh

7:53 am on Friday, October 5, 2012

I find it almost comical, yet sad at the same time, that everyone wants to be treated equally except when it comes to something they "believe" in. Colleen said it best in that you can't pick and choose the rules that you want to enforce and who you enforce them upon. The ruling had been made long before this incident occurred, yet no one had a problem with it until now? Now Sam is being treated the same as his peers (the other males in the school who are not prermitted to wear headbands) and that level of equality and "fairness" is now wrong?? Now adults (presumably) suggest that if you don't like the answer you get, from one, keep asking until you get the answer you want? You suggest "...climbing the ladder of authority until you get someone who is willing to listen..." Please, say what you really mean to say in that you don't like what you heard from one, so your best response it to continue to ask the question to different "authorities" until you get the answer you want to hear. That's definitely NOT the lesson I want my children to learn or think is acceptable.

Here's an idea... accept the fact that you may not know all the reasoning behind the decision that banned males from wearing headbands (it probably had very little to do with middle schools), realize that they are enforcing the rule equally to all, and be glad that the rules are being enforced.

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kris

8:33 am on Friday, October 5, 2012

I totally agree and can't believe all the parents on here that are teaching their kids to disrespect authority. I see that happening way too much these days. I always thought the schools and parents should work together. If you want to show your support for a cause that's great, just do it in an appropriate way.

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David

5:31 pm on Friday, October 5, 2012

From a grandfather,with grandchildren in Bel Air middle school. A Vietnam disabled vet. I'm with Samuel. There is no equality and fairness here (girls can do this but boys can't). This is about fairness, not about getting the answer you want to hear. Keep trying Samuel. One day you may be on the school board and change some of these idiot, sexist and out dated rules. David

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Stinkbug

2:38 pm on Sunday, October 7, 2012

Actually anyone in any leadership position will tell to keep asking until you get a 'yes' answer. Think of all the discoveries, inventions, businesses that would have never existed because someone took a 'no' answer and walked away. The best thing, in fact, the only good thing, my old boss taught me was it never hurts to ask and if you hear no, then keep asking until you hear yes. I hope my daughter never accepts a 'no' answer and walks away. As it is, this 'rule' makes no sense. If my daughter wore a headband that had a message, why is she allowed to wear it? Because she was a female? If the roles were reversed and HE was allowed to wear something that a girl in class was not because she was a girl, there would be people up in arms. Because he is a male and wants to wear something that is not traditionally considered a male accessory, then he can't wear it. Well, then hand it to a female and see if she can wear it. If she can, then there is the 'real' issue. Not what it says, but the issue is someone else is defining what is 'right' for a male and female.

Hollee Sifford

8:06 am on Friday, October 5, 2012

Well Sam i am proud of you taking a stand...So since some of the comments are encouraging T-Shirt support go and get one that says...."Save the TA-TA's"or would that be a distraction as well?i There are MANY pieces of apparell that raise awareness for many causes and I applaud him for his standing up for what he supports..The school system can be very close minded in alot of their "POLICIES"and they also depend on the individual schools to uphold said policies......This is where it starts some schools enforce policy harder then others hence this issue....Now if u go to another school in the county there may b a student who is wearing the same head band and nothing is said my point...EVERY school picks and chooses how hard they uphold policy and the ONLY way it becomes a board issue is if the individual school mmakes it an issue.If I have read this article correctly his parents have asked him "To drop the topic" so at the end of the day he should lisen to his parents....AFTER ALL it starts at home:)

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Sarah

11:07 am on Friday, October 5, 2012

I think there is a delicate balance between standing up for what you believe and respecting rules and authority... Sam will learn from this no matter the outcome and at the end of the day we'll all be a little more aware of cancer and it's impact on others, maybe encouraging some of us to donate, volunteer, etc. Also gives us a good chance to talk to our kids about how they would handle this situation... I know I did - thanks Sam!

Ginger Petrick

11:39 am on Friday, October 5, 2012

It's a county school rule. There is a reason for this rule, so just drop it!
Perhaps, wear it on you wrist or arm, put it on your car. Wear it before and after school.

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Ashley

12:17 pm on Friday, October 5, 2012

I'm honestly sad that there are people here who really believe this should just be dropped. I don't for one minute believe his disrespecting authority by standing up for himself when he's been wronged. There is no issue with females wearing headbands, just boys. The headband isn't a distraction, that's ridiculous and we all know it.

Sometimes people need to stand up to authority when the authority is overstepping their bounds. This country would cease to exist as we know it if our forefathers hadn't stood up to the authority when wronged.

Jake Q

12:35 pm on Friday, October 5, 2012

Some of you are so rude to this kid who is trying to stand up for a cause. You are so quick to judge this kid who is president of his middle school, on the honor roll, a multi-sport athlete with a couple of state titles. He is some hooligan in your eyes because he questions authority and their reasoning behind a decision? I agree with the earlier post, "Once a child is born we teach them to speak, and once they can speak we teach them to shut up". I am very disheartened to see that the people from this wonderful town in Bel Air can view this child as a problem. Meanwhile Harford County is a huge drug capital and Bel Air is at the center of it. As a recent High School grad I can tell you that kids are taking prescription pills and much more dangerous drugs that far exceed marijuana and getting high IN THE SCHOOLS. These kids get in trouble but you don't see reflections on the schools, because you never hear about it. They censor it. Because everything is perfect right? I applaud Sam for his questioning. He is nothing like some of the people here who "know" everything you hear and read from a figure of "power" must be true.

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Leslie Schildgen

4:38 pm on Friday, October 5, 2012

Samuel Queen. . . I have breast cancer and commend you for your stand and support of this terrifying fight. We should support this young man who sets an example for our youth to not be ashamed of cancer victims that we all know and love. I live in Bel Air and would like to help this young man to change the school rule in any way I can.

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Jake Q

4:44 pm on Friday, October 5, 2012

Thank you very much for seeing the good in my little brother. And most importantly fight like a girl! Good luck to you! :)

Leslie Joline

5:23 pm on Friday, October 5, 2012

This is the same in alot of schools Cecil County also. My grandchild was told she was not allowed to wear a shirt that had anything to do with breast cancer. I bought her one and told her to wear it because this is a cause we should all be aware of. Not just women but men can get breast cancer also. To me this is prejadice toward the boys in in his school. If they wanted to do a fundraiser would they say guys could not participate ....I don't think so. If you have a child that is serious about the support of Breast Cancer I think it should be allowed....this is just plain senseless.

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Suzanne DeMichael

8:26 pm on Friday, October 5, 2012

Sam, keep up your dedication to the cause you strongly support. You're creating important conversations that will hopefully bring changes.

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L Scott

9:28 am on Saturday, October 6, 2012

Proud of Sam!!! if a young lady was loosing or lost her hair to do reason out of her control and chose to wear a headband would anyone have the NERVE to tell her she didnt have any/enough hair to do so???

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Sarah Alasso Oliveira

9:40 am on Saturday, October 6, 2012

Way to go Sam. Continue to stand up for what you believe in!

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Sandra Conway

9:11 am on Sunday, October 7, 2012

There are girl wearing shorts a half inch shy of a "full view", and hcps makes a fuss over a headband worn for a cause?

The Ravens and 5 million other groups/ businesses show support for breast cancer, but a boy in middle school does and all goes haywire?

Pathetic.

Go Sam. Theres nothing wrong with that.

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Jennifer Morris

10:14 am on Sunday, October 7, 2012

Give the school a choice: that headband or a "Save the boobies" t-shirt

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Annie

11:16 am on Sunday, October 7, 2012

If the cause is really the reason, the wear the headband around your neck.....I work in a middle school and allowing this would spawn all sorts of causes and reasons to go against policy

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Jane Underriner

11:43 am on Sunday, October 7, 2012

Sam is my grandson, he also lost a great aunt from breast cancer. My sister, and Sarah Olivera's Mother. Cancer of many kinds is all around us. I coment Sam for taking this stand... Way to go Sam Queen

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KMattella

12:53 pm on Sunday, October 7, 2012

I don't believe ANYONE is saying this is not a good cause to support, and that Sam should not show his support to fight breast cancer (or any cancer). The only issue is the particular apparel he has chosen. I truly applaud Sam and ALL the kids. It seems the kids can't do anything anymore without police being called, or someone finding fault. I know these are rough times with gangs, etc., and we don't want to encourage that sort of thing. But Dude--just wear something else and not on your head!! I like someone's comment about wearing it around your neck. Our kids are good! And they deserve to express themselves. But in some instances, we need to use caution.

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jeepers54

10:58 am on Monday, October 8, 2012

I agree 100 % and also with the person above who stated he didnt thinnk a 12 yr old wrote this & I agree ! Seems like an adult wanting to bring drama & attention & possibly a lawsuit.. weve all had family die of cancer & we all support the causes but there are appropriate ways to raise awareness. drop the drama.

CB9678

2:32 pm on Sunday, October 7, 2012

What if the head band was supporting something you did not approve of? The school system can't get in the middle of that slippery slope. It has a policy on headware. I suggest he follow it and wear an appropriate shirt.

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Jennifer Morris

4:24 pm on Sunday, October 7, 2012

There have been plenty of kids who had to take off/change shirts of causes I would never support. I side with those kids too.

CB9678

4:36 pm on Sunday, October 7, 2012

Yes but there is no ppolicy against wearing shirts in General. The idea of a dress code is to not need to make exceptions for but what about. No headbands is no headbands.

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Take Responsibility!

6:59 am on Monday, October 8, 2012

HCPS is akin to a nazi organization...

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Leslie Schildgen

11:11 am on Monday, October 8, 2012

CB9678. . . I get the school rule but during October (Breast Cancer Month) let the kid be proud of his loved one's fight and spark awareness to support this struggle.

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CB9678

12:07 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

Is it not possible to be proud and respect the existing rule? I am not without empathy. But my point is if we say this is a good cause let us make an exception what do we do on April 20th when there seems to be dispute about the worthiness of the cause and if we should bend the dress code. The school system is simply avoiding having to decide what is worthy and is not worthy and I as a tax payer don't blame them. There are tons of ways to "Think Pink" and follow the dress code. No one once said he could not support the cause simply not doing so wearing a headband. He even acknowledges he knew the rule.

Jake Q

12:35 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

First off, stop saying Sam couldn't write a letter. Understand that the young man is gifted and do not be surprised if he surpasses your educational expertise when you were the same age. The reason he was bringing the drama was because of the result.. look at all of the shares, posts, comments on this. HE IS GETTING HIS AWARENESS OUT THROUGH A SECONDHAND SOURCE. Also as for the school systems policies. He told me that he took the EXACT same headband into school and a female student was able to wear it without repercussion. So that now brings in an element of discrimination on the schools part. And seriously, stop saying my brother isn't capable of writing a letter. He is not a brainwashed follower like the rest of the simpleminded town. Question everything, if you can't do that for yourself than you don't respect yourself.

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CB9678

12:50 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

Was the girl able to wear it as a hair restraint?

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Jake Q

2:44 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

Whether is is a restraint or not is not valid with the HCPS policy. It still should have been a distraction in the class, if it was not a distraction with her but it was with my brother... He is being discriminated. He has written a letter to the superintendent with a message in it about the HCPS staff being aware of their own policies and enforcing them equally with a test for the teachers.

Leslie Schildgen

1:26 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

CB9678 what is the significance of April 20th?

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CB9678

3:40 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

April 20th is a day that some in the pro-marijuana community of dubbed National Pot Smokers day. But I picked that to illustrate the salient point that otherwise we would be making exceptions for everything thus negating the rule. I am not agreeing with the rule but at what point to we draw the line if we allow this and then say no bandanas. The kid argues it is supporting a dead friend and it is fashioned like a headband. Again no one once told this kid he could not advocate for Breast Cancer. They simply said no headbands unless it is a functional hair restraint or is religious headware. To my knowledge it was neither. He knew this to be the case. Jake the fact that someone else did it and didn't get caught is akin to telling a police officer when you get pulled over for speeding that you where not the only one.

Jake furthermore the policy allows for hair restraints which may or not of been the case with this young lady. You didn't tell me one way or the other. Your brother is not being descriminated against. Unless there is a special policy for him and no one has suggested that is the case!

Jake Q

4:34 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

So CB9678, the item was deemed a distraction, whether it is serving a purpose or not. The female student could have used a restraint that was not a distraction. Also, it was not until 4 days after the incident that he was told it was a distraction, he was told he could not wear it because he was a guy originialy. Where is the rebuttal to that? There is a problem within the HCPS system and I do not need you giving me reasons to support their wrong actions. And I am supportive of this situation getting attention because it still will always bring up his initial goal every time it is spoken of. The staff at Bel Air Middle should admit they are wrong and simply just apologize to Samuel. If they are going to have all students follow a defined definition of harassment with discrimination included in it, whether it is race, gender, or sexual orientation... The school should also be held to the same guidelines.

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CB9678

11:29 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

Jake. You spin a drasticlly different tale than that in the well articulated version above. We have many items which are appropriate for one one gender and not the other. A purse is an accessory that is carried by women in some cases. Schools have a no bag policy unless it is transparent. The exception is small purses. The female (whom I will assume had long hair and used it as a tieback which is permissable) could have used any number of hair restraint devices she used that one. That is OK. Is it possible that no adult noticed it? I am sure believe it or not all students are not inspected for dress code violations. Some times you get by and no one sees it. HCPS has a no cell phone policy in Middle Schools but I am sure I could walk into any middle school and find them on 40% of the students. Why are they "allowed" because no one notices them when they are off. The policy says NO Headwear. It provides some examples but clearly states not limited to. The individual did not have long hair and was not wearing it as a hair restraint it was against the rules.

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Jake Q

11:45 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

Alright Mr. Superintendent. You probably know exactly what takes place in the schools. I can tell you right now that they do not have an understanding on their own policies or appropriate ways to handle them. Instead of using actual reasons they toss around BS that they don't think kids will catch it. Your own tax money pays these people. Maybe you could do some of your own research before directing me to the "Rules and Policies" which take the first two days of class every year to read. Yet the ones enforcing them do not understand them. But please go on and tell me more of your vast knowledge. I can toss out examples all day long about the unfairness of the rules, lets take your purse thing. A guy cant carry around a backpack or a string bag but a girl can have a purse that holds the entire milky way in it and sit it on her desk while looking up answers on her phone during test. So I like your "oh they don't see it idea"and all... but you are far more than wrong and I feel insulted by your blind-eye views.

CB9678

11:48 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

I am not the Superintedent, but I do know what takes place in schools, specifically with students of this age bracket. I work in one! Clearly I have an understanding of the policies I am tasked with enforcing. I tell you as a matter of fact teachers do not go looking for dresscode violations. We don't have time to. When they present themselves and become an issue we deal with them. I am aware my tax money does pay my own salary. I find it interesting your story differs greatly from your brother who was the actual "victim." I can also tell you enforcement of the purse rule at our school defines small purse as not being able to contain a planner book.

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Jake Q

1:36 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Well what are you doing on the patch right now if you should be working? Aren't there headband issues that need to be taken care of? How is there "not time" to look over the issues with the dress code and immoral decisions by the staff, but there is time to debate with a college student who is completely absent from this subject? The hole is getting dug deeper and deeper here. There needs to be education reformation within our whole country but it wouldn't hurt to start in Harford County. We stopped improving our school system and have focused on simplifying it. Yet we make the simple things complicated. Problems get tossed away but money still gets spent. On what though? I don't know but it still finds a way to disappear. The reason the current generation is so problematic is because the ones teaching them are too. There are good teachers and they care deeply for their kids, but there are also lifeless individuals who just simply don't care, that are called "teachers" to the children. The system that I have went through did very little to prepare me for the real world. Middle school felt more like a freedom-less concentration camp than a place of learning. And I do not need some textbook response. There are KNOWN problems that are just being ignored.

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CB9678

5:12 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

I post during lunch from my phone which rotates at differing times of different days! I Arrive 2 hours early every day so using my lunch time costs you nothing. Obviously we havee problems in the education system. Maybe you should rin for the board of ed to help fix them. This is not an issue. Since we have seemed to degrade to name calling I think our dialouge on this issue has ceased to be productive.

Jake Q

5:20 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Oh for the sake of grammar! Okay. I enjoyed our fun times.

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Leslie Schildgen

9:22 am on Wednesday, October 10, 2012

Annie: you raise a good point. However, I feel we should make an exception for the month of October and let kids wear breast cancer support headwear, footwear whateverwear to promote support and spark conversation for breast cancer. If others feel the need to support another cause and it's not hurting anyone, the school can deal with each petition case by case. I have no children and I want my portion of tax dollars that go to public schools in Bel Air to support Sam's right to wear headwear supporting breast cancer during the month of October. Care to take it to a judge and see what he or she has to say?

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VolunteerMom2

11:21 am on Thursday, October 11, 2012

It's real simple. Just follow the rules of school. Headbands or sweatbands are not allowed, unless holding hair down. There's no need to make a big deal about a headband. Wear it as a neckless, get a pink t-shirt, get several different shirts to wear all week long, make a bracelet, wear it as a bracelet; just double it. Schools don't have time for all this debating. Simply follow rules set by the adults and school system. You are a child and need to learn respect for your school, adults and administrators. Believe me they have your best interest at heart. You can show your support in other ways and after school wear the headband. It is wonderful you show your support for your family, but be respectful and find other ways to show support that does work with the rules of your school. God Bless.

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Jake Q

11:33 am on Thursday, October 11, 2012

Your simpleminded, without question, conformity worries me about future generations.

http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/clothing-dress-codes-uniforms

Feel free to read through as much as you want. "school officials cannot censor student expression unless they can show that the clothing will disrupt the school environment. They contend that Tinker stands for the fundamental principle that students have the right to wear clothing with messages, just as the students in the 1960s could wear black armbands to protest the Vietnam War."

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CB9678

4:17 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012

Jake, Do you agree that the school has the ability to not allow students to wear hats?
Did anyone tell your brother he coud not support breast cancer? What if he did what Tinker did and wore it as an armband?

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Jake Q

4:43 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012

When he was told to take it off. He was told he could not wear a headband because he is a male.

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CB9678

8:45 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012

So you would agree that no one ever supressed his speech or told him he could not support Breast Cancer?

The issue at that point is soley can you where headbands.

You are claiming that no headbands unless worn as a hair restraint descriminates against males. That may be a legite arguement.

As to those jumping on the lawsuit bandwagon. The next question is did his parents ever actually talk to the school administration?????

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Jake Q

12:52 am on Friday, October 12, 2012

The act of saying the headband had to be removed was enough to show that his freedom of speech has been limited.

His parents understand that Samuel is smart enough to shut down an adults argument based of their own rules and can turn the table (based on his older brothers time familiarizing himself with the same rules, in the same office), but has also been told by his superiors in the school that anything further on this situation will result in more trouble with the school.... thus you don't see Sam commenting on this (sounds like further limitation on his speech, but for current arguments sake lets put that besides the point).... Sam is in this situation as a kid with a small voice and no further guidance by anyone else. He knows it would be foolish on both his part and the schools part for this to reach a court situation. The best result that could come out of this would be the school swallowing their own pride and apologizing, as well as, the school working with the school's own student president (Sam Queen) on reviews of certain policies.

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CB9678

9:25 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012

Jake did you read the abovee link in it's entirety???? It said dress codes are not a 1st ammendment violation based on a multitude of SCOTUS cases. The Obrien test being the one most frequently used.

Leslie Schildgen

4:26 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012

VolunteerMom2. How about the school rule that says pull your pants up around your waste. Lots of boys don't follow that rule and nothing is said but one kid wears a headband to support fighting against a deadly disease and all hell breaks loose.

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CB9678

8:46 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012

Lots of kids who don't follow it have plenty said to them they then pull them back down when no one is looking!

Leslie Schildgen

4:47 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012

Yeah, Jake Q. Let's stick with the discrimination angle. What if Sam likes to wear headbands just like the girls do. Is the school assuming that only girls wear headbands. That's discriminatory.

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Jake Q

4:53 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012

That's what I have been preaching if you feel like reading all 70+ comments.

Leslie Schildgen

3:22 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012

Do you have an attorney to file a complaint with the school

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Vincere

3:13 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012

How about turning this into a positive event. Get the school on board with sponsoring a "Support Breast Cancer Awareness Day/Week" (SBCA) where eveyone gets to wear predetermined and school appropriate items. Have a fundraiser selling some SBCA items for kids to purchase and wear. Turn your lemon juice into lemonade!

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