You would think that the family would want this reporting to die a natural death as quickly as possible as to not attract the same type of crazies.

I disagree with the raising the amount of the reward money.I'm not criticizing you Sean,I just feel we should not make kidnapping profitable for anyone.This is Vi Ripken,I think it would send more of a message if they caught him with out a monetary tip. Might sound stupid but is the military police involved? Could it be someone who is at aberdeen? Maybe someone visiting a soldiers family? Sounds stupid but so strange no one recognizes him yet. I Know to mucn NCIS for me.

I am sure the family wants this man caught before it happens to someone else.

Personally, I'm finding it very hard to believe ANY of this case. I'm sorry; but, as Judge Judy always says, "If it doesn't make sense, it's not true." And, what doesn't make any sense is the facts. One person supposedly called the police (who happened to be in another vehicle and saw Vi Ripken in the backseat with her MOUTH TAPED). Another report indicated that the kidnapper only put a mask (of some sort) over her eyes and tied her hands; but, that he LIT HER CIGARETTES AND THEY STOPPED FOR FOOD. Did she ever indicate WHERE they stopped for food; what FOOD she ate (or was given to her); if the kidnapper ever let her use the restroom, etc. NO! Nothing of the sort. I see hundreds of people on a daily basis who could fit this description. One police report also indicated that they are STILL UNSURE, WHAT (IF ANYTHING) WAS TAKEN FROM VI RIPKEN. Really? So, this woman (who was kidnapped for about 24 hours) has NO CLUE if anything was stolen from her??? No. Sorry. Not buying this. If I'm wrong, I'll be the first to admit it. But, the whole story sounds fishy. This "local" news has now gone "GLOBAL." The Ripkens haven't been in the limelight for quite some time. Now, they're ALL on the news. And, one person in here is right. What could CAL possibly say in a "NEWS CONFERENCE" that would make ANY difference to this case? If I were in the police dept., I would make anyone claiming to be a victim give a lie detector test (before spending $$$$$ on an investigation).

Laura, I agree with you. I also read in the aberdeen patch that the kidnapper ride around central Md for 24 hours....how did you gas up with a " elderly women tied up in the back seat "? It doesn't make since for the kidnapper to return her where he grabbed her! If a phone call was made indicating she was in the back of a car with her mouth taped...I mean this was Cals mom, Aberdeen would have been shut down. There would have been reports put out then so the community could keep an were out as well, description of the vehicle etc....I'm just saying!

Rode*...auto correction

I'm telling you this guy is someone the Ripkins know or are related to. Someone other than the perp is not giving us the full story here.

Gee, Ryan. You're so smart! First of all, this old lady was NOT raped. In fact, her so-called "kidnapper" drove her car for 24 HOURS, NEVER SLEPT, lit her cigarettes and fed her (although, according to the story, her mouth was TAPED). I do wonder how she ate and smoked with tape over her mouth. Anyhow, if, God forbid, my daughter were raped, she would be SMART enough to go to a hospital. RAPE can be detected through a rape-test kit. Sorry to inform you of such matters. And, yeah--if she were raped, or anything else were to happen (and if it were the TRUTH), NOBODY would EVER object to taking a lie detector test about it. And, thanks--I DO believe my "new policy" would really be great for our society. Think of the hundreds of thousands of dollars that were spent in the Casey Anthony trial. She claimed her freaking 2-year-old was KIDNAPPED AND MISSING! The whole time, Casey KNEW she killed her daughter!!! And, who's paying for the police department's time and energy in THAT case, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on the TRIAL?? You know--the one where there were "stupid" jurors in that case (12 of them) who said, "poor little Casey was innocent." I suppose YOU also think Casey was innocent??? Probably do. Lie detectors are good enough to be used for the NSA, the FBI, and the CIA. So, why aren't they admissible in COURT? They are, after all, 98 percent (which is good enough for me--better than a jury) ACCURATE!

This story doesn't pass the Smell Test.

And, TY--You are RIGHT! I never even considered that fact. Yes, indeed--Vi Ripken's car would have needed gas at some point during a 24-hour drive! At least, one would think so. Or, maybe, he was so considerate that he drove in spurts. He must have made a lot of different stops. He did, after all, light her cigarettes and give her food. I'm just saying, "HOW COULD SHE EAT AND SMOKE WITH TAPE OVER HER MOUTH?" I'm wondering why the police didn't ask more questions. Then, it was reported that she sat with her very good friend the next day but did not say ONE WORD about this incident. Really? If someone is kidnapped, they would WANT to talk about it, SCREAM about it to the world. By NOT saying anything, even to her best friend, makes this case sound suspicious to me. Some people don't speak at all when they can't speak the truth. Again--if I'm wrong, then shame on me. But, I'm thinking this has everything to do with money and fame (something that was lost a long time ago). Why else would all of the news reports have to mention CAL RIPKEN and all of HIS accomplishments??? What does THAT have to do with a "kidnapping" case??? What--because Cal was her son? They already determined the so-called kidnapper didn't KNOW she was Cal's mother. So, why all the information about CAL? I seem to remember reading more about CAL than about VI in this case. Isn't this supposed to be about his mother? No commercials lately, huh Cal?

Oh--and if it's true (this whole kidnapping story) where this guy drove Cal's mother around two different counties for 24 HOURS, please, please, please tell me WHERE I can find this type of LINCOLN that gets approximately 60 miles per gallon. I would LOVE a car that I could drive for 24 hours straight (without stopping to get gas). Even if he drove say 50 MPH for 24 hours, that would be a total of 1,200 miles. Now, even if her Lincoln had a 20-gallon gas tank (which I highly doubt), that would average 60 mpg. What a car!!! Dag. I guess I bought the wrong kind of vehicle. Okay. Gotta run here and look me up some good LINCOLNS.

Please, just take a deep breath. In today's world no one knows what causes people to do what they do. Hence, Oklahoma. Just let it work itself out no matter the truth. As of this point everything is a guess. Gee it even could be the guy is a man from Mars.

Follow-up on the press conference is here:
http://patch.com/A-wCy1

More to come.

-Sean

This was a very odd statement to make. "Mr. Ripken will serve as his family's spokesperson, and no other members of the Ripken family will be commenting on the abduction moving forward."

I watched Cal's interview on Fox News this morning. Now I don't claim to be a body language expert, but every time Cal said something, he covered his teeth with his lips. I've seen him make other statements and he never did that. I also think that the pictures and the sketch of the perp looks an awful lot like a member of the Ripken family. I'm telling you that Cal knows who this guy is and we are not getting the real story here.

Actually, I wasn't referring to Violet Ripken (VI) as being the "village idiot." Just this guy, Ryan--he does not seem to understand some of the comments made in here. So, IMO--HE is the village idiot. He "believes" all of this; while, I'm not falling for it. I think it is all a way for the Ripkens to get publicity. That's just MY opinion. Now, you can all believe that a man came up to her in broad daylight, drove her car around for 24 hours straight, never once stopping to get gasoline, had her mouth taped (while she smoked cigarettes and ate some food), etc. and then after a lovely day (not using the restroom for an entire 24 hours either), he (mystery man) returned her to the SAME spot where he picked her up. How nice is that for a kidnapper?? And, to top it all off, he never took anything from her; i.e., money. Yet, Ms. Ripken claimed that the man stated all he wanted was her car and her money. Really? He wanted her MONEY? Why didn't he take ANY then? Nope. This story sounds fishy. So, just like I predicted with the Florida tragedy (where Casey Anthony killed her own daughter--and I KNEW that when it wasn't reported that she was missing for 31 days), I will go by my gut instincts on this one, too. And, hey--sorry to tell y'all--but, I'm usually right. I'm not saying that Ms. Ripken thought of this on her own. I do believe that Cal, Jr. had something to do with this story. Sounds like Ripley's Believe It of Not! Definitely, for me--a "NOT."

im just glad that she was returned unharmed1

LOL, Steve--yep--he DOES look a little like Uncle Fester. I'd say it's a toss between Uncle Fester and Steve Wilkos. Wadda ya think? I'm glad other people are seeing through this story, as well. BTW--that sketch of the guy (the supposed perp) looks so familiar. Then again, I guess it's hard to describe a white guy, with brown hair, wearing glasses, 5'10" tall and weighing about 180 pounds. I guess that blindfold was see-through (since she was able to describe him so accurately). Of course, there are about a million white dudes who wear glasses, have brown hair and are about 5'10" tall and weigh about 180. Right? That's like saying, "We need to find a perp that went to Africa. What does he look like? Well, he is a black male, about 5'10" tall, weighs about 180 lbs, has short brown hair, brown eyes, and was wearing camoflauge." Of course the perp would be difficult to find, now wouldn't he? But wait! Maybe we COULD find him if he only had those ONE pair of pants (the camoflauge ones). Yeah--that's the ticket. Just keep searching for a guy in glasses (because, God forbid, he has a pair of contact lenses), look for that baseball cap (of course, he would HAVE to have a BASEBALL cap on--seeing that it WAS Cal Ripken, Jr.'s mother), and you'll find the guy. You'll only have to search the entire United States. Oh--wait a minute. There are planes nowadays. Lord--he might have gotten past security and be in a different Country. Any suggestions how to find the perp?

When have you ever heard of a Prosecutor making such a namby pamby statement like this?
"I hope that we're successful; that's all I say," Cassilly said. "Every crime isn't going to be solved. Good police work is probably about 90 percent sweat and 10 percent luck. That 10 percent can be a big factor sometimes."

A comment from user Laura Jackson has been deleted for violation of Patch's terms of use. Find those terms at the bottom of this page.
-Sean

Sean, thanks for staying on top of these types of comments. Patch's reputation is as stake.

So much for "freedom of speech." Thanks, Sean. BTW--I AM entitled to say that I do NOT believe this alleged kidnapping story. Others in here also do not believe the story is true. In fact, there are many. Just a few people (most likely relatives of the Ripkens) believe (or want you to believe). The fact remains that NO VEHICLE can run for 24 hours without stopping for gasoline. For the record, I DO have several friends who are police officers. So, I do know the protocol. Thank you.

Oh--and Sean--I said nothing in any of my statements that were not true. I am entitled to my opinions. What ARE Patch's terms here? If you will read OTHERS posts towards me, I have even received a post THREATENING that my daughter will be raped! The guy who said that comment did not say IF my daughter were raped; he said WHEN my daughter gets raped. If that is not a threat, I don't know what is. So much for "threats" in your posts. As for MY posts, I have NOT threatened ANYONE--only stated my beliefs and opinions (which I am entitled to by the U.S. Constitution). Remember that one? It's called the First Amendment of Freedom of Speech.

Hi, Laura —
You're 100 percent entitled to your opinion—as is anyone else who comments—provided they follow Patch's terms of use:

http://aberdeen.patch.com/terms

I understand many people doubt the entirety of this case, and all opinions are welcome—provided they fall within the rules outlined in the terms of use.

What I clarified in another post (found here: http://aberdeen.patch.com/articles/billboards-feature-suspect-in-vi-ripken-case#comments_list ) is to help clarify anyone's opinions moving forward. For instance: it was never reported the vehicle was driven for 24 straight hours, etc.

Sean

Laura: I had my post pulled the very first day this story hit this blog. I suggested that it was a fishy story and had my post pulled immediatley but unhappy grannie's post calling me a bit mouth and to keep my filthy thoughts to myself was allowed to say on the blog. Something is definately up with the powers to be in the matter. Too many of us getting pulled for opinions. Courtney's comment got pulled for agreeing with me. In fact, Sean will probably pull this post so I hope you get to read it before he does.

How about we delete the comment made by Ryan about "hoping Laura's daughter gets raped". COME ON, that was completely uncalled for. Ryan is probably one of the Ripkens himself. Ha

Sean, I know ( as well as others) that you can come down to the Essex area in a short amount of time from Aberdeen. This would be possible in off peak hours. We still don't know the areas that the car drove through . Whatever happened concerning the kidnapping of Ms. Rypken is still up for speculation.What was the reason behind it ? Was the guy thinking about holding her for ransom ? If this was a guy who intended to do her harm and failed, what would stop him from doing it again ? I think the police will eventually solve this.

Exactly Leslie. It seems that anyone who disagrees with this case's comments get pulled. The comment I made was simply agreeing with the fact that the entire case is fishy; which a lot of people agree with. The point of a blog is to state our differences. As you stated happie grannie was allowed to keep her posts. That was probably Vi herself. Delete.

I just went back on some of the remarks concerning Ms. Ripkens abduction.Everyone is entitled to their opinion but just be considerate of the families feelings.Being a high profile case it will "naturally" get a lot of press coverage. I'm sure Cal is very disturbed about the incident as any son would be.It could have had a very different ending.

Oh wow, Courtney. . . never thought about unhappie grannie's identity. She does look pretty grumpy.

Thanks Courtney and Leslie for your "support." It's very "fish" or "funny" that a lot of our comments are not posted (especially if we "dispute" the alleged kidnapping story). And, you're right. It appears we all have to jump on the bandwagon and appear to be clueless as some of the others. This only proves to me how Pikesville Patch is male-oriented. Notice how the only posts that seem to get tossed belong to the women? And, I also noticed that it's perfectly fine for this guy, "Ryan," to say ignorant comments like, "I hope when your daughter gets raped. . . ." Really Ryan? Hoping WHEN my daughter gets raped? And, the administrator ALLOWS THAT message to be posted? We'll see. I have copied that post and will talk to someone about it. While I believe in freedom of speech, I don't believe someone can say, "WHEN my daughter gets raped. . . ." That is a DEFINITE threat--which should have never been allowed on this site. Then again--that post was created by a "man." Trust me--if a woman ever threatened anyone on here (say a man's SON), the post would definitely be deleted. Hope this message gets across to the board. We are ALLOWED freedom of speech in this Country. But, THREATENING people should NEVER be allowed. Thank you!

Hi all —
In particular, comments have most often been pulled if they reach this issue:
» "is defamatory, abusive, obscene, profane or offensive"

Again, all the terms can be found at the bottom of the page.

To clarify: the articles in the Vi Ripken case have originated on Aberdeen Patch and have been cross-posted to various Patch sites in the Baltimore metro area. Comments are coming from users throughout the region.

Thanks,
Sean

So, Sean. Calling telling me to "shut my filthy mouth" and telling me that I'm not a lady is not defamatory, abusive, obscene, profane or offensive. It think these snipes qualify under all 5 requirements for being pulled. Alot of people sling mud on these pages. That's what makes it interesting. If you're going to play gatekeeper you need to apply your standards to ALL people.

Thanks, Sean! It's nice that you "delete" certain messages. Why not delete Ryan's defamatory post towards me on Friday, August 3, 2012 at 11:28 a.m. He went into the childish "name-calling," (so have others, by the way) and then insinuated that I take Paxil and Xanax (two drugs of which I do not, nor have I EVER taken). So, that is defamation of character. I just copied these posts as well. I am covering all of my tracks. And, for the record--I KNOW the law. I have never defamed anyone. I am, like others in here, entitled to my opinion. And, it IS my opinion that this whole story is fictional. I applaud you, Leslie, for what you said (above). And, Sean--that's what this world is made up of--EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT, and there's nothing wrong with having different opinions. Although some people in here have gotten downright nasty when you state what your thoughts are regarding this case. Again--for someone like Ryan to threaten my daughter (by saying AFTER my daughter is raped. . . .) IS RAPED? Is that fair, Sean? No. But, I'll let law enforcement deal with him. For the record--if God had wanted EVERYONE the SAME and to think exactly ALIKE in ALL situations, he would have only created ONE person! Sorry that most of the women in here do not think like the men. I think that's because men tend to believe anything they are told--that's been my experience. That's probably why God tried a second time when creating people. Adam--a test. Eve--perfected. :D

Laura and Leslie, I think we would get along very well!!! haha

Yeah, Courtney. . . we all know a fishy story when we smell it

THIS JUST IN; Lou Gehrig's grandson is now a suspect.

Lou Gehrig didn't have any children

Sorry, but when a fellow blogger talks about a woman's daughter being raped then I draw the line. So dawnp, yes, I did say it was fishy and it could of been a ripken, a neighbor, or a stranger. WHO KNOWS. As for my Lou Gehrig's comment, it was a joke. Shoot me for trying to make light of a way too tense conversation.

What the bleep are you talking about, Dawn? What are you the blogger expert. All of us are just trying to figure out why this case is getting so much publicity and it's obviously a very questionable case. Hey Courtney, by the way, the Lou Gehrig joke was funny. I thought you were serious, though. With the facts of this story, I thought maybe just for an instant, the grandson was pissed off because of Cal destroying Lou's record. That would definately be a motive for the "kidnapping".

Are you serious right now? Did you go to school for blogging? Do you have a PhD in blogging now? Forgive me for my poor use of sentence. Im over this. It's sad when you voice your opinion of being different you are attacked. I will not agree with everyone else when I believe something is up. All there is to it.

@ Leslie, yes I thought it was a funny joke. Trying to stir things up in this tragic event :)

Here's today's update: http://patch.com/A-wHjq

- Sean

PHD in blogging. LOL

Oh no, Courtney and Leslie--looks like we have a "new" expert in here (DawnP). It's funny how she took what I said so LITERALLY about men and women. Geez. You cannot even "joke" around anymore (without somebody jumping in and screaming). Besides, dear Ms. (if you truly are a woman) DawnP, what I stated in my post is a FACT. If you go through ALL of the blogs regarding the Ripken's "alleged" kidnapping case, you will notice how all of the posts (the ignorant ones; i.e., one saying I was a nut, I was accused of not taking my Paxil and Xanax (when I DO NOT TAKE DRUGS, thank you), and especially the one from RYAN who said AFTER my daughter IS raped (referring to a threat), ALL of those ignorant posts (that were allowed by the Administrator) were by MEN. So, is this a case of men against women? I believe so. I believe the men who have come onto here have made ignorant threats and posts (just because they believe this whole story). And, while Courtney, Leslie and I (among some of the others) also believe this story is "fishy" and has lacked credibility, YOU come out of nowhere to SLAM us. Why? We are only expressing OUR opinions. And, while you stated that the "Patch" does not have to abide by the First Amendment, well--that simply is what we, as Americans (if you are one) should live by--the U.S. Constitution. That includes the "Patch." And, I do believe that Courtney, Leslie and I would be GREAT friends. LOL. So, lighten up there DawnP--sorry you disagree with us.

Perhaps if Courtney, Leslie and my posts continue to get deleted, we could always create our OWN blog (with our own rules as to what we believe people can and cannot say). If that's the case, who knows? I might just do that--become an "Administrator" and have all of the control. Would that make you happy, DawnP (although I truly believe you may be "Ryan"--IDK)? How would YOU feel if you had to be like some "robot" and have to agree with everything that everybody else said ALL THE TIME? Is that what this world come down to? I suppose that idea would work in a Socialistic Country. But, not here. Not if you are a true American. And, thank God I am--a true American that believes in freedom of speech (not just for myself, but for everyone). I only wish everyone could "lighten up" once in a while, not always have to be "politically correct all the time" and could have a sense of humor. But, there will always be those who are too serious. I guess I am too "immature" for you, DawnP. But, I thank God that I still have a big kid in me and am able to laugh when someone tells a joke. By the way, it is no longer called a manhole cover. Since women can now work in sewers (if they so choose--which, btw--I do not), I will call them peopleholes (or peepholes, for short). LOL. :D

Oh Ryan, "girl," I told the truth. The Ripken family IS wasting tax dollars on this investigation. Do you think THEY are paying out of their own pockets? Sorry--but, the FBI is not funded by the Ripken family. So much for YOUR "defamation." I have not "defamed" anyone (even you). I only speak the facts (that are reported in the news; i.e., FOX NEWS) and I express my opinions. Apparently, if you ARE a female (and I doubt that by saying such a thing as a threat about AFTER my daughter IS raped. . . .), then you need serious help. There is a thing such as joking around. But, rape is nothing to joke about. How would you feel if the same was said about YOU? I simply stated that since the FBI does perform lie detector tests on a regular basis, it would make sense to see if the story IS credible before wasting hundreds of thousands of dollars to investigate it. But, whatever. . . .

Peopleholes. . . LOL

P.S. Ryan, where did I say in ANY of my posts that I was going to tell the police what you wrote? I simply stated that I have MANY friends in the police department. And, I will let them deal with you. So, I am not contradicting ANYTHING I've said. All this proves to me is that you are scared--because you know what you said about my daughter is defamatory. And, thanks--whether it has been deleted or not--it's still defamatory (since it was up for quite a while). I have proof of that (seeing that I printed out those copies, time stamped). I just don't take too kindly to any threats made about any of my children. And, women usually don't say things like you have--especially threaten anyone's child. Would a man say that? IMO--yes--especially if rape was on his mind (and it obviously was--seeing that everyone in here was talking about abduction/kidnapping). Nobody brought up rape (except for you). That's sad as well as sick.

Sorry, Ryan--looks like I have more "friends" in Patch than you do. From what I can see, EVERYONE has criticized your ignorant comment about my daughter being raped. Well, DawnP might be your friend. But, that is strictly up to him/her. Good day to you!

Yes, Leslie--Peepholes are on doors; peopleholes are on floors. LOL. And, as for "Ryan," so lady-like, now isn't s(he), what's the haha--bring it you nut??? I'm the nut? No--don't you realize that everything you post can be traced from your computer? And, yes--I do mean everything. Sorry to inform you of that. All I know is that I will do whatever needs to be done to protect my daughter from people like you. Woman? I think not. Lady? I KNOW not. LOLYSIA.

Wow! I thought I was reading a story about Vi Ripken's abduction, not a soap box for eveything else wrong in the world. BTW, please check your spelling ladies!

I am starting to think that we make a good team, Laura and Leslie :) Look how many comments we have had. Kudos to us! Also, I didn't know we had the grammar police on our tails. Maybe KZK, DAWNP, and RYAN are all the same person? maybe? possibly?

Ignorance is bliss, obviously

I think the biggest insult is calling a 74 year old woman elderly. 85 might be elderly, but there are many working women who are 74 and are vital and lively. And what difference does it make how old anyone is when something like this happens?

Yay, Courtney!!! I agree. And, yeah--Ryan (he/she/???) is a "computer expert." He/she/???, I believe, is also friends with the new KZK. But, you're so right. KZK, DAWNP AND RYAN could be all one and the same. That's very funny. But, for you--KZK--wat ar yu tawkin abowt? Wat is rong wit hour spelin? Oops. Purhapps, I shud gest ask Rien (Ryan). He/she/??? is da kumpooter spechalest in heer. tee hee. Hey Courtney and Leslie--how about us getting our OWN blog? I think it would be fun, and we wouldn't have to worry about the grammar police being on our tails either. LOL. :D

Oh DawnP--sorry--I will look up "defamatory" in the dixinery write aftur I getz me a gud spelen cource. KZK sez we gurlz kneed 2 lern how 2 spel furst. Otay??? LOL. For the record--my cousin is a top-notch attorney. So, yes--I believe I already know what constitutes defamation of character by its legal terms. But, thanks for considering me.

So being a bully has so much to do with this news story...

HHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!

Laura that was histerical!!! Oops . . . did I spell that right?

Yes, KZK. . . a bully has kidnapped Ripken

Ryan a nice person? Since when is it nice to talk about children being raped?! You my friend, are the nut job. You are just as sick as he/she is!

Oh dear DawnP. I feel so sorry for you. You have Leslie and me confused, I suppose. I am assuming you were just referring to me (saying that I am working at a law firm)??? No. Now, you must go back and re-read my statement. I said, and please do not make me repeat myself again--I have a COUSIN who is a TOP-NOTCH attorney. So, please get your facts and information correct before ACCUSING someone of being on a blog on COMPANY TIME. Now, if you would like to know something--THAT is defamation of character my little one. Falsely accusing someone of doing something and defaming one's character. And, gee whiz--I did not even have to look that up in a dictionary. Aren't you so proud? LOLSFH.

Sean, where are you?

Oh Ryan, I see. So it's perfectly accpetable to refer to an adult being raped rather than a child. EITHER WAY it is WRONG! You have lost your mind. I'm willing to be anything you are on the watchdog list.

DawnP (AKA possibly Ryan)--I DO know the difference between a threat AND defamation of character. Unfortunately, you wouldn't know that since you are apparently "new" here. Ryan did BOTH. He "threatened" my daughter (and btw--Ryan--I never said whether my daughter was young or a child; either way rape is rape), by her/his/??? nasty comment about, "AFTER my daughter IS raped. . . ." Yes, DawnP, THAT is a threat. As for the "defamation of character," she/he/??? falsely accused me of taking paxil and xanax--two medications that I have NEVER taken (nor do I need to take them--thank you). And, that, my dear, IS "defamation of character." So, why don't you and Ryan get together to discuss these two issues? If you are one and the same, then speak to yourself. If you are of a split-personality, then speak to one another. Either way, talk it out and you will see that Ryan is guilty of both a threat AND defamation of character. Okay--I'm done here. I do not care to talk to, well. . . I will not say. At least, in here. But, Courtney and Leslie would agree with me, I'm sure. LOL.

For the simple fact that they've veered completely off topic, the comments on this article are being shut off.

Thanks.

- Sean
sean.welsh@patch.com