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County Council Meeting: Employee Bonuses Public Hearing

Follow the latest updates on the Harford County Council Meeting.

Harford County Council held a public hearing for the government employee bonuses bill.

County Executive David Craig, who was not present, has recommended that county, public schools and library employees should receive a one-time $1,250 bonus. Craig's proposal is in light of the county's $32 million surplus.

Read highlights from the County Council meeting to see reaction from council members and union leaders.

9:15

The meeting is adjourned.

9:12

Councilman Slutzky said Aberdeen Councilwoman Ruth Ann Young has arranged the Maryland Transportation Authority to present a plan for the revitalization of downtown Aberdeen for next week's County Council meeting.

9:03

Councilman Guthrie said he wants state deligation to look into legislation for biodegradable crabbing cages to save sea creatures that become stuck in cages are lost from fishermen.

8:54

Councilman Slutzky accepts his role as the council vice president for next year.

8:52

The "emergency" water and sewer capital project fund balance transfer bill was approved 7-0. In addition, the water and sewer capital program resolution was approved 7-0.

8:49

The building and mechanics codes 2012 bill with approved ammendements was approved 7-0.

8:45

Ammendements to the funds balance transfer -- special pays bill will not be voted on.

8:44

Ammendments to the building and mechanics codes 2012, which includes the requirement of fire sprinklers in single-family houses and duplexes, were approved 6-1 with Councilwoman Lisanti voting no.

8:29

Ammendments to the ethics code repeal were approved 7-0.

8:22

Ammendents to the ethics code repeal, building and mechanics codes 2012 and funds balance transfer -- special pays were introduced.

8:15

The pawnbrokers, personnel -- classified service, tax credit for properties near refuse disposal system, water and sewer code changes -- connection charges and water and sewer rates and usage bills were introduced.

8:08

The Water and Sewer Capital Program resolution was not introduced. Boniface recommends waiting until after the previously mentioned water and sewer bill (6:34) is voted on.

8:06

Councilman Richard Slutzky gives the opening prayer.

8:04

The legislative session is now begining.

7:51

The public hearing has ended.

7:49

A Harford County resident argues with Boniface to testify even though she did not sign up beforehand.

7:42

Dave Pridgeon, a Harford County resident: "I stand tonight as a tired man." This money needs to go into a rainy day fund. There could be heavy layoffs in future years, and we need to prepare for future years. The only winner is David Craig, who is running for governor and trying to build relations with the unions.

7:37

Harfound County Education Association President Randy Cerveny: While we agree with additional compensation for educational employees, we don't agree with the Craig's proposal. It should be left to the Board of Education as to how these funds should be distributed.

7:31

Michael Keeney of the Maryland Classified Employees Association: We've been partnering with county since 1973. "Now is the time for the county to keep it's promise" and approve the government employee bonuses.

7:25

Verna White, a resident of Baldwin: The taxpayers should have known about the tax surplus as soon as Craig found out. I'm asking you to vote no in hopes of returning the entire $32 million to the taxpayers.

7:22

Public testimony is now open.

7:21

Boniface: It's the unknown of the next budgeting cycle that makes us concerned to spend this money now.

7:18

Giorno: There is no indication as to how the remaining $21 million in surplus will be spent.

7:10

The county employee bonuses bill will not affect the county rainy day fund.

7:07

The cost of living in Harford County has increased the last three years.

7:03

The bonus would come in two payments: one on Dec. 23 and another one in June 2012.

7:01

Councilman Chad Shrodes: I'm worried as to how this looks for state politicians, whom may want to cut things in this county if it looks rich.

6:56

A Harford County executive office spokesman said that the surplus came from a lower unemployment rate than expected in 2010 and 2011,  which brought in more taxes.

6:48

Councilman Dion F. Guthrie: I'm sure employees who took "weeks and weeks" of furlough days are confused as to why there is now a surplus in funds.

Giornio states it was only five to seven furlough days.

6:44

Giorno: The passing of the employee bonuses bill won't prevent the possibility of salary raises within the next year.

6:41

Boniface to Giorno: "How can you be sure we don't end up in a short fall?"

Giorno: The bonuses amount of $11 million of $32 million of the available funds.

6:40

>> You can view the employee bonuses bill here.

6:38

Council President Billy Boniface suggests County Executive David Craig should be at the meeting tonight to talk about his recommendation of employee bonuses.

6:37

Giorno is now introducing the county employee bonuses bill.

6:35

There is no participants in the public hearing for the Water and Sewer bill.

6:34

Harford County Legislative Liaison Nancy Giorno said the Water and Sewer Capital Project Fund Balance Transfer is an emergency bill to keep drinking water safe.

6:27

All council members are now here with Councilwoman Mary Ann Lisanti now arriving.

6:24

Our poll closes in 35 minutes. Do you support a one-time $1,250 bonus for county employees?

6:21

Many county workers, including police, construction workers and teachers, are now entering the council chambers.

6:15

The County Council meeting begins in 15 minutes. There's a gathering of about 20 people outside the AA Roberty Building. A woman said that the people are here for the public hearing on the government employee bonuses.

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George Helm December 7, 2011 at 07:17 pm
Seems that this is one vicious circle. I think it would behove a county employee to consider his actions based on advancing revenues in order to get a bonus. I've seen the gerrymandering going on over my working career when bonuses are based on performance or targets for revenue, a lot of cheating went on and fudging the numbers. Seems to be human nature. Wouldn't a tax decrease be sufficient as the county employee would also benefit!
Alan Burdette Jr. December 7, 2011 at 11:56 pm
Sounds like a decrease in taxes is the answer to me. Pay raises are earned not just given. If they continue to have so much money just to hand out raises what wasteful way will be found to spend a surplus in the future.
Karl Schuub December 8, 2011 at 12:23 am
I wonder given all the early retirements and buyouts and the fact that no apparent disruption in services has occurred after all those folks exited the system just how many employees are necessary in the county. Perhaps we need to reset that number and consider the obvious - when given the opportunity and with little resistance government will hire and hire and hire regardless of necessity. The idea of people to watch the people to watch the people watching the people.
Brian Butler December 8, 2011 at 06:28 pm
To ALL members of the Harford County Council. NONE of you will get my vote in the next election. How dare you table the bill for the proposed bonus' for county workers. You should be ashamed. When these people were hired they were all given a job description which included pay scales. These pay scales were then not honored by the county and yet county workers continued to honor their contracts by doing outstanding work. I urge all residents to vote against Boniface and all the other fat cats on the council!!
I am curious how many people on here would be happy if their employers hired them and told them one thing but turned around and did something else? This is not a matter of getting a raise or bonus. I can not imagine being hired and filling out all of the necessary paper work etc. Then, after receiving company handbooks which include pay scales, requirements etc, I would then be told that I would not be receiving the agreed upon pay. Actually, I would not be receiving the agreed upon pay for the next year, the following year and yes, the year after that!!! I can not believe all of the people on here who are against these hard working county employees not getting a good faith bonus....especially after knowing the facts of how they have not received their due salary's.
Ed Jr. December 8, 2011 at 06:44 pm
Wow Brian Butler. Are you suggesting that the only Guarantees in life are those made for the benefit of Federal State and Local Government Employees? Was it fair when the politicians raised our property taxes 9% a year and they doubled in 7 years time?. Is it fair that some retirees are being forced out of their lifelong homes because of a tax burden. The time has come to make government more efficient, smaller, and far less reaching into our daily life.
Brian Butler December 8, 2011 at 07:05 pm
Ed, did you even read what I wrote? You are talking about different issues. I do not think any of those things are fair. I live in Abingdon and yes my house value went down and taxes went up. I ache for all of our burdens. The issue here is this one time good faith bonus. Have you noticed how a lot of these reply's have taken on a different issue. Most of us are very unhappy with our local/state govts. Here is the honest truth. My girlfriend teaches in Harford County. She previously taught in a private school. When HC hired her 5 years ago, they gave her in writing what her pay scale would be. Then guess what, it never happened! She is still being paid on the 8 year step instead of the 12. Most of us in the private sector would have went to HR immediately to complain. One of her requirements , as for all teachers, is to get her Masters degree within 10 years. She had to pay for that. She honored her end of the bargain. According to her new hire paper work, she is about $10,000 below what was told to her.
Wow Ed, is this fair? Would you think it was fair to anyone in any work place? I am not suggesting any thing here. I am merely stating the facts as it relates to this one time bonus which is far below the promised and agreed upon contract. As for our taxes, homeless retirees and smaller govt, those seem like separate issues. I would be saying the same thing if your employer did the same thing to you or any of my neighbors.
FH John December 8, 2011 at 07:09 pm
You the man Ed Jr. If you dont like how your treated in your county job go get a job somewhere else. Oh way minute, they lay you off at other jobs when the going gets rough.
Ed Jr. December 8, 2011 at 07:46 pm
Brian Butler - Let me give you a simple lesson. Our property taxes, sales taxes, income taxes and all other hidden taxes, gas, utilities, telephone, etc.. etc.. pay the lucrative wages and benefits of the government employees of the over-reaching federal state and local governments. If you don't understand how they are linked then there is no point in continuing this conversation. As far as private sector, when a small Company loses it's largest client, do you think everyone remains employed? Only in government does a revenue base shrink and wages increase....
George Helm December 8, 2011 at 09:57 pm
I know a lot of private sector employees that have taken pay cuts over the last couple years and the sure in hell are not getting bonuses! If county employees are dis-satisfied with their pay or lack of increases or bonuses during tough times it is not the taxpayers who need to fork out. The can always quit and find more equitable employment but I doubt guarantees on pay and bonuses are offered these days in any sector of employment!
George Helm December 8, 2011 at 10:03 pm
I'm with you as all I read is about declining home values! Don't read anything about decreasing taxes or reduced appraisals. My house was built in 1984 and my tax burden goes up every year, about a 100.00 per annum. The system is rigged to only move upward! Has anyone seen a reduction outside of a obvious mistake by the county or state tax dep't. or assessment dep't?
George Helm December 8, 2011 at 10:07 pm
I hate to tell you but there is no guarantee going to the HR dep't, public or private will get you anywhere. Can I assume your girlfriend after getting her masters stayed with the county as the pay is now pretty good and the benefits normally exceed the private sector in this day and age?
George Helm December 8, 2011 at 10:13 pm
But if your government before that layoff don't you get your bonus, healthy retirement, retiree health care, vacation, and sick pay credits. And when the private sector lays off I don't think you get a bonus, and in this day and age, no severance either!
CB9678 December 9, 2011 at 01:40 am
George the taxes have gone down however the TEA Party and tax reform groups petitioned for using the constant yiled which was agreed upon and passed. In case you do not know the conastant yield helps out when property values increase by decreasing the rate and keeps your tax level but when values go down the rate goes up to compensate. This last year the county reduced the rate from the constant yield value that TEA party groups requested!
CB9678 December 9, 2011 at 01:50 am
George et.al.
Govt workers take less compensation for predictable pay scales and job security regardless of the economy. in the earlier part of the decade private sector jobs got huge bonuses and COLAS that where almost triple the public sector. Public sector employees knew the deal. Now the govt. has reniged on that deal with it's employees. This bonus was timed to prevent the county from the slap it is getting from the labor board since it is readily apperant they lied when they negotiated with teachers.
Alan Burdette Jr. December 9, 2011 at 02:12 am
First of all Brian Butler. Have you actualy seen a county worker work! They do as little as possible to milk out the day. I am self employed and work very hard for my money feeding our country. My income is poverty level most years. I pay my taxes, bleed, miss time with my family, and take finacial risks that most people would never understand so you can eat three times a day. Where is my pay raise! You know something is wromg with the system when the goverment you pay taxes to acomplishes in 2 years what I do in a week and they make more than me. Besides most all of them fedral and state employes included all moon light on the side and pay no income taxes on their side money!
George Helm December 9, 2011 at 02:41 am
Disagree after seeing the pay scale for an administrative ass't . Way higher than the private sector and I am confident the benefit are about 40 to 50 percent add on to these salaries. The private sector doesn't offer these type pensions or retiree health options since the 90's. I retired in 99 and worked for a company that is the largest in the world in its field. They cancelled company pension and retiree heath benefits in the early 90's once Clinton put forth free and global trade! And reading your reply about property taxes your explanation explains why it is rigged one way!
CB9678 December 9, 2011 at 03:02 am
I do my own taxes and we payed taxes one my wifes side jobs!!!!
CB9678 December 9, 2011 at 03:54 am
Well when the property tax citizens where screaming for constant yield this is what they asked for. I guess they too never thought their house would decline in value.
That said some jobs are easy to see but the point is that is what these guys signed up for are you going to fault them for making good career moves? For expecting that their employer was honest? If someone makes a good career move it is a good move. Are you claiming all secretaries should be paid the same rate no matter who they work for? I guess you feel everything should be equal and we should redistribute the wise career sectretaries pay amongst the unfortunate unemployeed people who hate government? Wait that is what we do with teachers and their pensions we take 28% of their pension contribution and stick it in the general fund!
kld0715 December 9, 2011 at 02:57 pm
It's sad that you would write a blanket statement such as "have you actually seen a county worker work?!?" That's a generalization. Sure, I have seen some not work but for everyone one of those, there are tons that actually do. Would you be willing to put on a bullet proof vest and deal with some of the crap that officers deal with on a daily basis? Would you be willing to spend 8+ hours in a classroom every day dealing with kids who might not even want to be there and their actions support that behavior? I know I wouldn't. No one deserves to not be given the money their have earned but unfortunately that's the world we live in today. To have a job is to be lucky.
These teachers and police officers have been on a salary freeze for 3+ years. Do they have a job and should they be thankful for said job? Absolutely. Would it be nice for them to earn this extra bonus? Absolutely. Are there some who might not deserve it? Sure. Should they all be punished for that? No. You don't have to agree with the bonus. We all have opinions. But that doesn't mean you should start bashing county employees as a whole because you don't agree with this topic.
Hollee Sifford December 9, 2011 at 04:37 pm
I totally agree with the bonus...yes I am a hcps employee and have been without a raise and step for 3+ years and I do work for EVERY BIT of that bonus and yes there are slackers in the system there are slackers in EVERY system!!!I understand there are opinioons on both sides and I respect that BUT....PLEASE do not negate the fact that there are people who DO deserve it and I am sure if some of you were included in receiving said bonus you would agree.The teachers union has their reasons for not wanting it...mayb someone from the union could chime in here unless they have and i just missed it.I hope WE do get it and if we dont well I hope we see a raise coming soon and a step:)
George Helm December 9, 2011 at 07:19 pm
Once again I'm totally shocked that a county employee agrees with the bonus and of course also a raise! Everybody is normally for a raise and a bonus and they deserve it, just ask them!
kld0715 December 9, 2011 at 07:24 pm
So is it safe to say we're shocked that a work from home employee doesn't want someone to have what he doesn't!?! Get a grip.
Do you deserve a raise? Just ask right.
Linda Borneman December 10, 2011 at 01:15 am
I totally agree with Mr. Butler! Bonuses, are usually part of the benefit package and when COLAs or raises are not forthcoming, then I would say that the county employees have no incentive for "going above and beyond". A COLA (cost of living allowance) is not a perk...it is keeping the employee's head above water and a bonus (although, not guaranteed) is always a nice bone to throw to those who do go "above and beyond." You get what you pay for...just sayin;.
Linda Borneman December 10, 2011 at 01:27 am
Ms. Sifford, you make perfect sense. I am not a county employee nor related to any but I know that there are many who DO deserve to be paid fairly and there are some who do not. The question is, do we punish the ones who DO deserve the raises/bonuses/COLAs because of the minority of slackers and I do believe it is a minority of county workers that are slackers. I cannot believe the mindset of Harford County toward it's county workers! I for one, appreciate all that the county workers do for our county and although I realize there are always a handful who do not have a work ethic that is ideal, there is always a handful where ever you go that fits that description. But the ones that are hard-working, that we don't see, who devote their lives to the betterment of the county deserve not only respect from the taxpayers that they serve, but a fair and reasonable salary AND a bonus. No one said that the bonus had to be HUGE, for heaven's sake! But a bone is a bone and everyone needs incentive to aspire to even more hard work. I'm a firm believer in that.
Roland December 20, 2011 at 05:54 pm
Cost of living increase...yes, raise....only if the worker's work merits one....bonuses...no.
What's a cost of increase say? This is to help you keep up. What's a raise say? This is for doing a job above and beyond your requirements. What's a bonus say? Thanks for doing your job........... Thanks for doing your job! How about, 'You're fired for not doing your job'? Government workers got it easy.......................
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